Outerloop Video games’ turn-based RPG Dosa Divas launches on April 14 for consoles and PC platforms. Forward of its demo launch as we speak, I had an opportunity to talk with Studio Director Chandana Ekanayake concerning the upcoming recreation, the developer’s prior launch Thirsty Suitors, turn-based fight, influences like Octopath Traveler and Bravely Default, the state of the business, his work with Bethesda again within the day on Morrowind, engaged on The Matrix video games, espresso, dosas, and far more. This interview was performed on a name. It has been barely edited for readability.
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Chandana Ekanayake: My title is Chandana Ekanayake. You possibly can name me Eka. I am going by that, too. I am the Studio Director and Co-founder of Outerloop Video games. We have been round I believe, 9 years since we began, and we’re a studio of eight individuals. All distant. I discussed earlier than that our idea artist or artwork director was in Chennai (India) on the time, and now we have people in Australia and Canada and each the East Coast and West Coast within the US as nicely.
I’ve personally been in video games for, will probably be 30 years this October. I began in artwork and bought into design and manufacturing, then artwork path and the enterprise aspect. Beginning the studio was a end result of all of the expertise I’ve had in varied different studios, and we felt assured sufficient to start out our personal. Two of my Co-founders Justin Lalone and Azo (Aung Zaw Oo) are people that I had labored with beforehand, and my position covers artistic pitching of the initiatives, operating the initiatives, design work, and narrative, after which I nonetheless do artwork and trailers. My different Co-founder Justin is a programmer. He does all of the heavy lifting. He does the engine instruments but additionally does all of the platform work as nicely, after which Azo’s our animator. He is a one particular person animation group, so he does all the pieces character animation and associated. Since we’re small, we sort of simply leap in as we’re wanted for varied issues.
Chandana Ekanayake: So me and the 2 different Co-founders had been working at one other indie firm in Washington the place we’re presently, and there was a chance when VR first began getting consideration. Our workplace was strolling distance to Valve in Bellevue. We knew them. They’d us over earlier than they introduced their headsets. They had been displaying us the early prototypes, the room VR stuff, and that blew my thoughts. I would by no means skilled something like that. It bought me pondering as a designer, concerning the house and prospects for sorts of video games. In order that was principally like a curiosity from a design perspective. I questioned what we might do within the house and it felt very totally different on the time. It was again in 2014-2015.
Then on the similar time, plenty of pals that I had recognized from different studios had been going to Valve or going to Fb (Oculus on the time earlier than they bought purchased by Meta). In order that they’re like, “Hey, pitch us one thing.” I got here along with a pitch and we had a small group on the time inside this different firm. It was 5 – 6 of us then. So it was principally out of curiosity for what we could possibly be doing within the house.
We ended up doing 4 VR video games and the fourth one is what began Outerloop Video games: Falcon Age. It was initially a VR recreation after which we additionally made a non VR model.

Chandana Ekanayake: I imply I believe that is the factor I’ve discovered early on in my profession. When you ship a undertaking with any person or a number of individuals, you do not have to attempt to clarify issues as a lot or strive to determine issues. We all know our tendencies and we all know how we work nicely collectively. I am an enormous believer in attempting to maintain a group collectively so long as doable as a result of we find yourself having the ability to do extra with little or a smaller group simply because we have had expertise collectively, or we have constructed plenty of instruments collectively, and we all know what sort of issues will come out of that, having gone via a few productions. Thirsty Suitors was I wish to say three and a half years from idea to delivery, and Dosa Divas will in all probability be shut to 2 and a half years.
The stuff we have discovered is having the ability to do and push design or manufacturing or taking themes or concepts we have tried to discover one recreation, after which broaden on it for an additional recreation. So we get the iteration with the identical group. I am an enormous believer in that. Not having to start out over from scratch.
Chandana Ekanayake: It was an issue for me once I first began as a result of I have been in studios for like 20 years, however even then, I believe I used to be overworking even in studios, so a part of beginning this studio was additionally attempting to stability that just a little higher. I’ve two children, they’re older teenage sons now, however on the time once I began, they had been youthful, and there have been instances the place I wish to be with them extra as they had been rising up. Doing it remotely and attempting to stability the time was a particular purpose.
Beginning the studio meant I needed to be an instance as a studio head, so if I am not doing it then the remainder of the oldsters aren’t doing it both. That was an enormous purpose. It is arduous while you’re working at dwelling as you recognize. When am I at work, when am I at dwelling, and so for me it is like once I cease, or attempt to make dinner. After I’m within the kitchen and I am cooking, that’s my sign that workday is over, and it is household time. Identical with lunch or no matter, however I am attempting to as a result of it was once touring from work to the workplace to dwelling. That is once I used to decompress, that is time to make that transition. It is a lot a lot tougher while you’re in the identical house for work and residential. It is positively a aware effort of doing actions which can be a break between work and residential.

Chandana Ekanayake:
Additionally it is the place the gaming market has gone too. Individuals are comfy with issues that they like, and so they need different issues which can be sort of just like the stuff they like, but additionally provide one thing new. I believe that is the stability, and searching again at Thirsty Suitors, I believe the problem as we had been in growth we questioned if it was sufficient of a recreation for individuals to concentrate to. So it was with good intention that we had been attempting and the sport got here out of the love for JRPGs or turn-based fight we had, however we wished to take these tropes and body it in form of a relationship method, and turn-based fight was the correct match.I at all times take into consideration the sport and the concept, after which what sort of gameplay would assist actually specific the theme, and turn-based fight does, as a result of doing the actions of the assault varieties, but additionally having the dialogue moments forwards and backwards simply made plenty of sense for the kind of story we wished to inform.
Skating was initially a loading display screen and we thought it sounded enjoyable so we put it in. Then I believe it was loads, however the title took place as a result of it was initially a recreation about organized marriage. Thirsty Suitors had been the suitors that had been attempting to win your hand in marriage or Jala’s (from Thirsty Suitors) hand in marriage, however myself and our lead author Meghna on the undertaking, she grew up in India, I grew up in Sri Lanka, and whereas we all know people have gone via organized marriages, neither of us have had private experiences or anybody on the group, so we did not really feel like that was our story to inform. On the time within the West there was Indian Matchmaking and issues like that, and I seen as we had been watching the present and getting reactions, people within the West have a really particular concept what which means, and I simply thought it was too arduous of a topic to sort out with these built-in concepts of what that meant within the West versus what it means in locations in Sri Lanka or India.
So we went from that to Jala, her courting life, her breakups and so forth. I believe we describe it extra as a breakup simulator than a courting recreation, however the title suggests it is extra of that. The learnings, going again to your query for that, we wish to attempt to be extra direct when it comes to what sort of recreation is what sort of style, after which additionally attempt to play inside that house that folks like our video games for which is a sure perspective or perspective or sure storytelling.
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Chandana Ekanayake:
I believe we in all probability will get that. We bought that for Thirsty Suitors. It is like Is it “Like a Dragon South Asian Version” or one thing like that.Chandana Ekanayake:
We return to issues like, for me personally, Tremendous Mario RPG and Paper Mario: The Thousand-Yr Door, earlier than Sea of Stars and Clair Obscur: Expedition 33, and Bravely Default was additionally a factor there. I really only in the near past completed Expedition 33 a month in the past, and I cherished it. I believe the factor that individuals who aren’t aware of these different JRPG sort video games, is generally the presentation and the story that appears extra approachable possibly, and so they’re not conscious that there is a complete historical past and many years of a style that is tried plenty of various things. Even within the Last Fantasy sequence, from NES variations all the way in which as much as fashionable, they’ve tried plenty of various things. We simply took those that we like one of the best, and in addition those that match the theme one of the best.Such as you stated, Octopath Traveler is an affect on there for positive for positive, and Bravely Default earlier than that for the boosts and the protect system. It was additionally sort of a stepping stone or suggestions from how individuals thought Thirsty Suitors was a QTE recreation. I believe principally that is concerning the interface of it, as a result of I do not know if individuals name Expedition 33 a QTE recreation? Possibly not.
Chandana Ekanayake: *laughs* I believe their parry system is cool, and I just like the blocking, which once more for us is extra of timing parts from the older Tremendous Mario RPG and Thousand-Yr Door, however the protect system for us since we’re doing this flavor-based and food-based theme for the sport, making the protect right into a plate that you simply break, and once they’re shocked, they’re really full of meals. I believe we at all times attempt to discover the place the theme and the mechanics can really feel like they’re meant to go collectively, and that takes time and iteration. We spent a bunch of time even firstly of this undertaking simply to determine what that system was, and it is nonetheless going via iteration and stability as we end up the sport.

Chandana Ekanayake:
For the second half, it is sort matching. So if in case you have spicy to spicy, that is all that issues, you do not have to recollect something, it is not like a rock paper scissors system. You do not have to do not forget that spicy beats candy or issues like that proper. If an enemy has a weak spot to bitter, you employ a bitter assault. At the least after we playtested and we confirmed it at Summer time Video games Fest final 12 months, there wasn’t an enormous confusion about what goes with what, as a result of we’re not asking you to recollect which shade beats which shade or something like that.I do not suppose plenty of people know what a dosa is within the US a minimum of. Dosa Divas was the unique title it had for the idea. Then I considered it, after which we spent plenty of time developing with different names. We at all times saved coming again to Dosa Divas, and I do not know, the Divas a part of it’s not concerning the sisters, it is really what the mechs are known as on this planet. So there is a good depth to the title, but additionally it was straightforward to recollect and say. Now we have had individuals who suppose dosa is “dos” in Spanish. So it is like two divas. Okay that works too. *laughs*
Attempting to call something is actually arduous, particularly a recreation, and it is such as you’re balancing between: Is it distinctive? Is it generic? Will individuals bear in mind it? Will they have the ability to discover it? There are plenty of totally different ideas that go into it. On the finish of the day, we sort of find yourself going with does this really feel good to us? Does it communicate to what we consider, and what we do, and does it stand out? Does it additionally match? Individuals appear to suppose it suits with what we do as a group in order that’s adequate for us, too.

Chandana Ekanayake: So the story, like Thirsty Suitors, is linear. The demo that you simply performed is on this, the fishing village. You possibly can return to it, and there is actions to do in every space in-game. Then it opens up too, but it surely sort of branches into open gameplay, cooking issues, delivering meals, after which it goes into these chapters of boss battles and story moments. So I believe it’s linear with the locations that open up at factors.
Chandana Ekanayake:
There are possibilities to return again later, after which the development relies in your village standing. I do not know when you noticed any of that stuff.RPG Website: The extent up display screen the place you unlock extra abilities within the city while you refill that bar, I forgot what the precise in-game time period was.
Chandana Ekanayake: The primary chapter you possibly can degree as much as a certain amount and you progress on, however then you find yourself coming again to do all of the aspect missions, or make all of the meals, or feed all of the individuals. Is that this the primary time you performed our demo?
RPG Website: Sure. I did not attend Summer time Video games Fest final 12 months.
Chandana Ekanayake: Yeah and also you stated you performed in your Steam Deck?
RPG Website: Right. I’ve solely performed it there up to now.
Chandana Ekanayake: How was that have?
RPG Website: The fonts are a bit small. I believe Valve would possibly mark that as Steam Deck playable due to the font dimension, but it surely ran with a 90fps goal and was holding nicely. I did not change a lot and solely had some hitching. I believe the one situation I bumped into was not having the timing down for blocking and attacking when the star immediate appeared. I believe it possibly must be clearer since I used to be at all times confused and both hit early or late, principally early. Barring that, it felt nice on the hand held.

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Chandana Ekanayake:
Once more again to the theme of those two sisters operating round in a mech. We wished to have just a little bit extra freedom with exploration. I would not name it a platformer as a result of there is not any fall to demise, but it surely was only a approach to discover a city, and design these villages, with the concept like that first fishing village has a really vertical structure, you are leaping from these form of excessive tall rocks, and there is a village constructed on high of it. Did you discover the run button?RPG Website: Yeah, after all. I noticed the Naruto run instantly. I even have a query about that as nicely so keep tuned for that.
Chandana Ekanayake: It developed from desirous to discover, after which as soon as we found out individuals get hungry, you honk to see who has orders, and also you run round, get the orders, and you then make it, and also you run round and feed on the run. That dynamic felt nice for us. So that is what got here out of it.
Chandana Ekanayake: For Thirsty Suitors, we took some conventional stuff, but it surely’s not a Bollywood rating or something. So Ramsey Kharroubi who did Boyfriend Dungeon, did Thirsty Suitors‘ music which I like. So with Dosa Divas, he clearly did all of the music too. For the influences, I normally make a playlist for him once I begin fascinated about the sport concept, and it is eclectic, it is in all places.
For Dosa Divas, we spent plenty of time simply determining the world, as a result of with Thirsty Suitors, we do not ever say within the recreation, but it surely’s like a 90s and 00s-inspired time. However then it is also fashionable in some methods. It is also set on this particular city, after which for every character and theme, we additionally wished to essentially showcase that character. The music modified for that.
That is the identical factor in Dosa Divas the place the fishing within the first village has a selected theme, then while you go into battles, it modifications, and that is going to, as you get to the brand new cities and the totally different bosses additionally, it’ll leap round from genres just a little bit too like Thirsty Suitors.

Chandana Ekanayake:
I like doses too. I am beginning to make them now too. I cook dinner loads, however principally I have been specializing in my mother’s dishes which can be plenty of Sri Lankan-style curries and issues, however dosas, it is an entire different factor. We will attempt to make some dishes from the sport, as a result of the cooking system additionally, as you in all probability seen, is totally different from Thirsty Suitors within the sense Thirsty Suitors you are cooking a selected dish with one in all your dad and mom. In Dosa Divas, individuals need various things, however you possibly can mix, so it is just a little extra versatile system. That was an enormous factor for us when it comes to doing these cooking techniques and the fight techniques. In Thirsty Suitors, participant expression was a purpose, so making the cooking system just a little bit extra expressive when it comes to the way you mix issues, what individuals need, and this carries over to the fight once more with flavors, however there’s not at all times a proper approach to beat any person.In Dosa Divas, you will have three individuals in your occasion versus a solo system like Jala in Thirsty Suitors. You’ve gotten extra flexibility of how you can get via a fight situation as nicely right here. Why dosas? Initially, the idea was two aunties in a mech. That was the factor that I used to be taking part in with. Then after we checked out tuktuks and three-wheelers which I’ve fond recollections of in Sri Lanka, after which pre-pandemic, we had gone again a pair instances with my children once they had been little. They actually wished to drive these tuktuks, and in order that sort of stayed in my thoughts, and we’re fascinated about cooks, as a result of we like doing issues about meals so what sort of meals truck would they run round? Then let’s take a tuktuk after which flip it right into a mech as a result of that’d be neat.
Then what sort of meals would you need for avenue meals, but additionally with a meals truck? Then there’s plate meals like dosas, and there is handheld meals and bowls and issues, and people are the dishes that you’re going to see in the midst of the sport. That led into the title. There was a mix of the love for the meals and the themes we’re attempting to discover, and it is a bunch of various inspiration and that is what got here out of it.
Chandana Ekanayake: While you go into the physique store customization display screen, there’s totally different variations of that as nicely. Quite a lot of the influences for that, we checked out like actually ornate designs, and since the vehicles are on the street loads, they sort of signify the place individuals grew up with or their dwelling on the truck. We actually like that idea. Quite a lot of the mech design got here out of that and “Horn OK Please” is a factor on the again of these. We take these parts and preserve them in on the mech as nicely.

Chandana Ekanayake: It entails plenty of play testing, fixing, balancing, and pacing. It’s like gameplay, story, and pacing issues, after which additionally fixing issues as our QA group goes via to see what’s damaged. We’re leaping round loads, trying on the recreation as an entire, and now that it is all collectively, simply taking part in via it a number of instances and in addition sections at a time to see if it is coming throughout the way in which we wished to. It is simply plenty of iteration and plenty of play testing with changes.
Chandana Ekanayake:
We have been doing console platforms over a number of years and a number of initiatives. There is a course of, and we’re aware of it, and now we have instruments that help it. I do not suppose there’s something new. We have been a part of platform launches like a VR launch, the PlayStation VR launch, and while you’re launching on a brand new platform, it is like everybody’s attempting to work on the platform and in addition the sport, in order that’s just a little harder, however on this case we’re on established platforms. Should you’ve shipped sufficient video games on platforms, it is not nothing too stunning.Chandana Ekanayake:
We’re messing with these. I do not suppose the mouse stuff is in there, as a result of our UI will not be actually designed a lot for a mouse even on PC. So we’re not doing something with that, however we’re positively making the most of varied issues on the platforms.Inform me what you considered the primary part of the demo.
RPG Website: So moreover the fight the place I could not learn the timing nicely sufficient in components and a few invisible partitions, I used to be having fun with it loads. I would in all probability present the complete recreation to my grandmother as a result of she taught me how you can make dosas and she is going to in all probability aspect eye the recipe combos I’ve seen in-game already.
Chandana Ekanayake: *laughs* Now we have mango dosas, banana dosas, however we talked loads about what goes in there and there are some bizarre combos, however I believe it might work. We have seen examples of some of these things, too. I discover going to cities and attempting a bunch of various avenue meals, there’s at all times one thing actually fascinating, and the blending of meals from varied cultures is at all times actually fascinating.
In order that’s one thing we wish to discover on this fictional future too. These may not exist in actual life, however will probably be enjoyable to strive.
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Chandana Ekanayake:
They have been nice, and whereas we’re self-publishing, Jules Engel and popagenda have been actually actually useful for publishing help. It makes our job simpler. Now we have people which can be reminding us to verify we’re doing all of the issues correctly. We have self-published earlier than, and it is plenty of work, however working with different companions like popagenda has been simpler for us.Chandana Ekanayake:
Effectively, I did not know any higher. I began there once I was 19, I labored on Battlespire and Redguard, after which labored on Morrowind. So, that was my first introduction to online game growth. I do not suppose anyone on that group anticipated it to explode because it did. Particularly because it was an authentic Xbox recreation and no console gamers had ever seen a recreation like that at the moment. I believe it was actually cool and a very good expertise. Todd Howard was in all probability one of the best boss I’ve ever had. He is been superior to work with. So, I discovered loads engaged on that group on the time.
Chandana Ekanayake:
These are enjoyable. I used to be an enormous Matrix fan, like the unique film, and had the chance to go all the way down to Shiny Leisure to work on Enter the Matrix and we bought to see all of the scripts, and I bought all these set photographs whereas they had been in manufacturing. That was a loopy undertaking as a result of we needed to ship it on the day of the film. There was plenty of crunching on that undertaking. After I first began there, I did plenty of the character work, after which movies, and a bunch of UI work, however we might go to conferences with the Wachowskis as a result of we had been in Orange County, and so they had been in LA, so it was like an hour and a half away.It was actually neat to be a fan of the stuff the Wachowskis did, and The Matrix, and seeing all of the sketches, the set photographs, the costumes, and having the ability to learn the scripts. It was a enjoyable undertaking. It was additionally a troublesome undertaking, as a result of we had been attempting to do loads, and attempting to launch it as a film got here out. There’s additionally layers of approval, like something we did needed to undergo our writer, the Wachowskis, Warner Brothers, and so generally the turnaround time that we would have liked to get issues performed was just a little gradual. I believe that course of is healthier now, however I have never labored on a film IP recreation since. I believe I bought burnt out after doing two Matrix video games and a Terminator recreation that we had to assist out on with our writer on the time. That was a very long time in the past.
Chandana Ekanayake:
I believe basic growth appears extra accessible to people outdoors the US, and throughout, and particularly for distant groups. I believe the oldsters which can be having the toughest bother are conventional larger groups which have been used to working in studios, and attempting to go distant. We had been already distant earlier than the pandemic. So it wasn’t a lot totally different for us with work, but it surely was totally different as a result of the world was on hearth and we needed to cope with it. Simply having the ability to focus and have that point with the undertaking, I believe actually bought us via again then. Simply seeing how everyone is, and in addition as a result of we had been in so many various locations, simply speaking to everyone in several international locations, and what the native authorities’s place was for the pandemic, and all that stuff, it was actually fascinating.Chandana Ekanayake:
As for the state of indies, I believe there’s much more video games, and actually nice video games, and plenty of from single builders to larger indies. There’s too many video games. I believe that it is not nearly “Oh can we make a recreation?”, it’s like “Can we make a recreation and make it stand out, and are we saying one thing fascinating?” and that is form of the place I’m in my profession. We really feel like we are able to just about make something we wish, but additionally we all know what we’re good at, and what we like, after which we form of mix that with one thing gamers would wish to play. That is at all times a consideration. It is constructing one thing for an viewers, but additionally ensuring that it’s true to what we love to do.I am nonetheless actually excited concerning the artwork of creating video games.

Chandana Ekanayake:
I’ve a listing as a result of I do play plenty of video games all year long, after which I additionally play video games for judging varied issues. Those that stood out for me are: Expedition 33, I got here to it late, as a result of I knew how I knew it was going to be an enormous recreation, however I am stunned It isn’t too huge. I really appreciated it. Dispatch was a extremely neat expertise, and I believe it did an awesome job of bringing a few of the form of Telltale sort video games to a contemporary viewers and in addition utilizing FMV pre-rendered movies was actually sensible. Every little thing felt prefer it labored nice. Then Ooo is so elegant, and what they did with only a primary set of mechanics. I appreciated Dogpile, and The Drifter is a beautiful recreation. It is a conventional level and click on journey, however performed with simply great pacing and storytelling. Additionally Tiny Bookshop which is a administration sim recreation. I did not suppose I used to be going to love it, but it surely was actually charming with good depth of gameplay there too. I am a Vampire Survivors fan, so I performed Megabonk. I did not suppose I used to be going to love it as a result of I believed it is simply Vampire Survivors in 3D, however the 3D-ness and the presentation of it added loads.Then Despelote. My god, what a beautiful slice of life recreation. There’s this different one, it is a very minimal recreation known as Nodebuster. It is a tiny little recreation, however generally you spend all day fixing these troublesome issues and simply wish to play one thing that has an awesome gameplay loop, and Nodebusters is a minimal sort of an idle recreation, however has a pleasant improve tree and pacing on that was the one which stood out for me this 12 months.
I have never even checked out what’s popping out but this 12 months. While you’re the place we’re, we’re simply attempting to deal with ending Dosa Divas. I have never paid consideration to what’s developing quickly. I’ll in some unspecified time in the future.

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Chandana Ekanayake:
So generally it is not espresso in any respect. I grew up with tea, so I will do milk tea generally. Typically I will do a savory broth as my morning espresso. With Jules from popagenda, we had been in a gathering yesterday and I used to be consuming some brown liquid out of a glass and it was simply bone broth. *laughs* For espresso, I will go simply black or just a little little bit of cream, but it surely’ll must be warmed up milk or cream. I’ve realized I am lactose illiberal, so I find yourself going to oat milk or one thing like that.Chandana Ekanayake:
So there’s two dosa outlets close to right here. Washington has an enormous Indian inhabitants. Microsoft’s close by, and you recognize there’s an enormous Indian inhabitants as a result of I will drive by a park, and there is cricket being performed with the complete kits. So there’s this one place that has a 4 foot lengthy dosa. It is for 4 individuals.RPG Website: You imply a paper dosa?
Chandana Ekanayake: Sure, a paper dosa. You may get totally different substances, and we alter it up. We”ll take the entire household. We’ll have a 4 foot-long dosa. It’s arduous to select a favourite. What’s your favourite?
Chandana Ekanayake: Mysore might be the one which’s extra widespread on this space. I find yourself going to that too. Yeah.
Chandana Ekanayake:
I’ve tried each. It relies upon. I do not know what I am feeling for that day. You understand the sport Venba?RPG Website: Sure, I like Venba.
Chandana Ekanayake: So once I visited Abhi (from Visai Video games) in Toronto, he took me to this one place that had some good South Indian meals together with good dosas.